Sundials in most areas will not be correct on Sunday...

Channel98

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You wrote, "if you live down south, like Florida or Arizona or Louisiana or So Cal, you don't have the sunrise problem. But up north, we do." Okay, then here is my solution: On November 3, when Daylight Saving Time is scheduled to end, residents of every state except Arizona and Hawai'i turn their clocks back a half-hour instead of an hour. Then we leave the clocks the way they are – no more time changes, ever – and those of us who live in Los Angeles, El Paso and Baton Rouge will never be driving home from work in pitch-black darkness at 6 PM and people who live in Montpelier, Nashua and New York City will never have sun shining through their bedroom windows at 4 AM.

On paper, at least, this proposal sounds good.

To me, anyway.
 

Aaron

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You wrote, "if you live down south, like Florida or Arizona or Louisiana or So Cal, you don't have the sunrise problem. But up north, we do." Okay, then here is my solution: On November 3, when Daylight Saving Time is scheduled to end, residents of every state except Arizona and Hawai'i turn their clocks back a half-hour instead of an hour. Then we leave the clocks the way they are – no more time changes, ever – and those of us who live in Los Angeles, El Paso and Baton Rouge will never be driving home from work in pitch-black darkness at 6 PM and people who live in Montpelier, Nashua and New York City will never have sun shining through their bedroom windows at 4 AM.

On paper, at least, this proposal sounds good.

To me, anyway.
I've said that too... just pick the half hour in the middle and run with it all year.
 

memebag

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Leave the clocks alone. Just go to work later. Or earlier. The end result is the same and DST related time calculation errors go away. There is nothing magic about 9 or 5.
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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Leave the clocks alone. Just go to work later. Or earlier. The end result is the same and DST related time calculation errors go away. There is nothing magic about 9 or 5.
Tell that to my boss or the people that schedule meetings between 9-5. Unless EVERYBODY does it, it isn't viable. By moving the clocks, everybody does it.
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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So in January, sunrise will be at 8:15 here. No.
I am ok with that. I am also ok with changing my clocks twice a year. The am not ok with an 8pm sunset in July. And coming home @ 5 in darkness in the winter is something I tolerate knowing I will be flipping the clock back on March. If you don’t change the clocks leave it sprung forward.

You can always sleep in.


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scotchandcigar

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If we can get everyone to change their clocks we can get everyone to not change their clocks.
This is an idiotic concept. Every company in the entire world is not going to change their work hours every few months, all year, every year. TV shows are broadcast from a couple of places in the US. They're not going to keep moving broadcast times all year. Each community will not adjust school start times and bus schedules to people's ever adjusting lives. Get real.
 

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This is an idiotic concept. Every company in the entire world is not going to change their work hours every few months, all year, every year. TV shows are broadcast from a couple of places in the US. They're not going to keep moving broadcast times all year. Each community will not adjust school start times and bus schedules to people's ever adjusting lives. Get real.
You are an idiotic concept. Every company already changes their work hours twice a year. Everything you describe already happens.
 

memebag

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No company changes work hours, neither do schools, busses or broadcast TV. Once a year, everyone uniformly changes the reference time or goes back.
You must understand that when we change the clock, we don't change time. We just change when we do stuff. In spring we do everything an hour earlier. In fall we go back to how it was. We change work hours, school hours, broadcast times, all of it. Surely you understand this.
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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You must understand that when we change the clock, we don't change time. We just change when we do stuff. In spring we do everything an hour earlier. In fall we go back to how it was. We change work hours, school hours, broadcast times, all of it. Surely you understand this.
Certainly you understand it is easier to just change the clocks.
 
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scotchandcigar

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You must understand that when we change the clock, we don't change time. We just change when we do stuff. In spring we do everything an hour earlier. In fall we go back to how it was. We change work hours, school hours, broadcast times, all of it. Surely you understand this.
If you weren't so busy being condescending, you'd have noticed I used the term "reference time". But then you'd have no excuse to treat me like a juvenile, which probably makes you feel better.
 

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Certainly you understand it is easier to just change the clocks.
No, I do not. It is easier to leave the clocks alone. Changing the clocks requires action, effort, energy. Not changing the clocks does not.

If you weren't so busy being condescending, you'd have noticed I used the term "reference time". But then you'd have no excuse to treat me like a juvenile, which probably makes you feel better.
I apologize. That was not my intent.

But you do know that companies, schools, etc all change their hours when we switch between DST and ST, don't you?