New cord-cutting trend on the rise in America

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I do that sometimes too, either through Airplay or the Apple TV box itself. I don't see where a 60 inch tv requires a cable TV subscription.

No i didn't mean that. I ment when I stream Netflix I like to watch it on my TV. Sorry for the mix up. I'll be honest though we bought that big of a TV with sports in mind. Then movies.

I don't care if a person has cable, satellite or what. My wife and I will keep what we have for as long as we can afford it. That is until they come up with all the sports we watch streaming. We can get most of our shows through Apple or Amazon. The only thing I hate about that is you can't watch a show same day. We have to have same day for shows like Waking Dead, Breaking Bad and Justified. When and if all that happens then yea by by pay TV.
 
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No i didn't mean that. I ment when I stream Netflix I like to watch it on my TV. Sorry for the mix up. I'll be honest though we bought that big of a TV with sports in mind. Then movies.

I don't care if a person has cable, satellite or what. My wife and I will keep what we have for as long as we can afford it. That is until they come up with all the sports we watch streaming. We can get most of our shows through Apple or Amazon. The only thing I hate about that is you can't watch a show same day. We have to have same day for shows like Waking Dead, Breaking Bad and Justified. When and if all that happens then yea by by pay TV.
That's not a big issue for me. I'm watching The Wire on HBO GO from 8 years ago. Doctor Who, still on season one (The Christopher Eccleston years) and have yet to start Season Two of Mad Men. Time is a relative thing for me. I can watch whatever I like, whenever I like and can do it commercial free. Sports is becoming less of an interest for me. I still follow the Red Sox and will probably watch the Broncos until Peyton Manning retires. The Red Sox are on MLB.TV and the Broncos are on local channels.


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That would go away if A la carte were to come to fruition. No one wants to pay that much for ads on a channel very few people have in their a la carte packages.


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Verizon's 'customizable' FiOS TV packages violate contract, says ESPN | The Verge

Verizon wants to put ESPN in a sports package in an attempt to move toward a la carte programming. ESPN won't let them because it violates their contract. ESPN and ESPN2 have to be in the big bundles, not extra sports packages.
 

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If it ever does come down to true ala carte, ESPN is screwed!! And they know it.
 

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Verizon's 'customizable' FiOS TV packages violate contract, says ESPN | The Verge

Verizon wants to put ESPN in a sports package in an attempt to move toward a la carte programming. ESPN won't let them because it violates their contract. ESPN and ESPN2 have to be in the big bundles, not extra sports packages.
Indeed...that's how all that stuff works. The "big boys" such as ESPN, Fox News, CNN, TNT all say: "You want us? Well, put us in your main tier...oh yeah, you also have to have these channels in your main tier and smaller channels in higher tiers." Throw in another factor that ESPN is owned by Disney, so Disney says: "Well, you're probably not gonna survive without ESPN or Disney Channel, so you kinda gotta carry Disney XD, Toon Disney and ESPN Classic too."

Some channels like HBO or various international channels *do* allow ala carte programming for usually $12-$15...but when it comes down to it, how many channels do you watch? ESPN might be $18.99 for all ESPN channels. Disney might be $12.99 for all channels. Throw in a few women's channels for the wife and that's $9.99. All of a sudden, you're up to $42 and that doesn't even include equipment fees.

The current system works because everyone pays for all channels. Maybe there's a show you watch regularly, but it's the only time you tune into that channel all week...well, if everybody pays for something, then everyone pays a much lower cost. Would I pay $12 for History Channel? Heck no...but I'll pay much less for it and still be able to watch Ice Road Truckers and some of the historical stuff on channels like Military History or H2.

It's a lot easier to call the retentions office every few months and get a contract at a discount price per month.


It's been a while since I crunched the numbers, but I found ESPN's penetration rate (number of houses) and I put that up against Nielsen's total number of houses with TVs. As of that time, just maybe 2-3 years ago, very few households had a TV but didn't have ESPN. ... now, did that count streaming services like AppleTV w/ WatchESPN as a "household with ESPN?" I'm not sure.
 

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It's been a while since I crunched the numbers, but I found ESPN's penetration rate (number of houses) and I put that up against Nielsen's total number of houses with TVs. As of that time, just maybe 2-3 years ago, very few households had a TV but didn't have ESPN. ... now, did that count streaming services like AppleTV w/ WatchESPN as a "household with ESPN?" I'm not sure.
I'd be interested to see the number of households that HAVE it (since it's included in basic cable) vs. those that actually WATCH it. The only real time I watched ESPN when I had it was when there's a game on I'm interested in (Broncos on Monday Night, interesting College Football matchup). Not sure that's enough to warrant paying that much for it on top of what it already costs for your average cable subscription. If they pulled an HBONOW and charged say $10 a month for ESPN I'd probably jump on that as an over the top option during football season, then shutting it off during the summer when I don't watch a lot of TV to begin with (I do like baseball but $2.99 a month for MLB at Bat is more than enough, baseball is a better radio game anyway.) I'm not entirely sure WatchESPN counts in the overall numbers since it's only available to those who have cable subscriptions (or who are borrowing other's passwords, but that's another thread.) I'm close to the point of being content with my viewing options at this point. Netflix, $8.99, Amazon $99 (which translates to 8.25 a month), HBONOW $15, iTunes Season Pass for Big Bang Theory ($29.99 or something like that), and all the free stuff through OTA and Apple TV.
 

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I'd be interested to see the number of households that HAVE it (since it's included in basic cable) vs. those that actually WATCH it.

ESPN No. 1 in Cable Ratings for 2014 | Variety

Total Viewers

ESPN 2.28 million (up 6%)
USA 2.18 million (down 20%)
TNT 2.04 million (down 4%)
Disney 1.94 million (down 22%)
TBS 1.87 million (down 10%)
History 1.86 million (down 14%)
Fox News 1.73 million (even)
FX 1.45 million (down 4%)
Discovery 1.41 million (up 1%)
AMC 1.36 million (down 5%)
HGTV 1.34 million (up 5%)
Adult Swim 1.34 million (down 11%)
Nick at Nite 1.31 million (down 2%)
A&E 1.27 million (down 30%)
ABC Family 1.26 million (down 2%)
Lifetime 1.13 million (down 12%)
Syfy 1.13 million (down 7%)
Food 1.09 million (down 5%)
TLC 1.08 million (even)
Bravo 0.99 million (down 3%)
 

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So out of estimated 97 million subscribers to cable or satellite, only 2.28 million regularly view ESPN. And THAT'S the most popular cable network?
 

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That's really the only reason for me, College Football and Tournament time in Basketball. I used to watch PTI but that got old after a while.
 

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It would be nice to have ESPN just for college football and basketball. Then drop it. The college football playoff really paid off for ESPN. I guess it broke all cable ratings records.

College Football Playoff final sets ratings record for ESPN, cable TV - LA Times
Indeed it did. Obviously, I have no way of fact-checking this statement, but my service went down for a brief moment during the final game. The phone rep told me that it was because so many people were watching the same thing at the same time...kind of like the effect Howard had on websites during the late 90s.

And I don't understand that "share a password" thing. I mean, I understand how it works, but wouldn't it be safer for the master account owner to set up a subaccount? Wouldn't that do the same thing without allowing potential strangers to mess with my bill?
 
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Indeed it did. Obviously, I have no way of fact-checking this statement, but my service went down for a brief moment during the final game. The phone rep told me that it was because so many people were watching the same thing at the same time...kind of like the effect Howard had on websites during the late 90s.

And I don't understand that "share a password" thing. I mean, I understand how it works, but wouldn't it be safer for the master account owner to set up a subaccount? Wouldn't that do the same thing without allowing potential strangers to mess with my bill?

We didn't have any problem when the game was on here. I read somewhere that Columbus was the highest rated city watching it.

I don't do the password share or ask someone to use theirs. I thinks it contradicts people that say the hate ESPN or don't want to pay and then sponge off a relative or friend. Same with HBO. Shit if I asked my parents or friends of mine if I could use their password for ESPN or HBO they would laugh at me. Yea....... Dad I don't like ESPN and hating having to pay for it so I cut the cord. Oh by the way...... Can I use your password for WatchESPN. His answer would be Hell no! Now if I could add and drop ESPN on my Dish service at will that would be cool. I'm just not going to sponge off of anyone and then declare I had to cut the cord because of ESPN and so on.....