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HecticArt

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But you can't rape a tractor.
Try harder.
That brings up another point...Even if Jefferson's slave Sally Hemings was giving consent it's still rape right? I mean if you are owned the whole concept of consent goes out the window.
I don’t know about any of the details other than that he was a slave owner. The idea of it being rape may or may not be accurate. Does anybody really know what happened?
 

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It is completely bonkers right? He sat around in Virginia and wrote the most important document in our lives while banging his slave.

I find it hard to wrap my head around that.
 

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Back in the 1700s, even if you were against slavery, you probably would have been able to get your head around it.

The fact that you can’t get it now, is a good thing. It means that society is evolving. There’s still a long way to go, and we shouldn’t just accept the things that are still wrong, but at least there’s progress.
 

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Dude...I'm pretty sure it was awful even in the 1700's

Paid labor is one thing...owning a human....that's a real other thing.
 

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Dude...I'm pretty sure it was awful even in the 1700's

Paid labor is one thing...owning a human....that's a real other thing.
Back in the 1700s the thinking at the time did not qualify negro's as human. The thinking was wrong but they honestly believed that negros were not at the same level as the civilized white man. The British/American/Canadian also had the same opinion of the "savages" who lived in North America when they got there. As a side note, Indians also had slaves (other tribes who had been captured). Slavery is not a uniquely American/British or white thing. Just the most well known.
 

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Yea but dude...owning another human being? That seems like a wrong that transcends time.
I hope nobody's implying that slavery is an American thing. They had slaves in Europe. And if you've seen The Ten Commandments, the Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians in like 2000 BC. I'm sure there's slavery today in some parts of the world. We didn't invent the idea.
 
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Didn't the Jews wind up salves and building that shit?

Kina uncool.

So how hard is it as a people to not buy other people?
 

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Dude...I'm pretty sure it was awful even in the 1700's
Absolutely. But unfortunately back then people didn't take a stand against it.
I hope nobody's implying that slavery is an American thing. They had slaves in Europe. And if you've seen The Ten Commandments, the Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians in like 2000 BC. I'm sure there's slavery today in some parts of the world. We didn't invent the idea.
Exactly. Back in Egyptian and Roman times, if you lost a battle, you got taken as a slave. It didn't matter what color your skin was. You lost. Get your ass to work.
Kina uncool.
Very uncool.
So how hard is it as a people to not buy other people?
Fortunately, it's much much harder these days.

So Egyptian and Greek buildings were built with slave labor. Very uncool.
The Greeks were considered the founders of democracy......
So when we built our monuments and many government buildings, they designed them to look like Greek buildings and temples.
What do you think about the Lincoln Memorial? The guy who freed the slaves, has a monument that pretty much represents the accomplishments of slave labor.......
 
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That's how it worked?

No wonder the Romans were so good. Rather die than be some slave.
They had a saying that was something like "Come back (from battle) with your shield, or on it." If you came back with it, you won, if you were on it, it meant that you died, and they dragged your bodie back on it. Anything else meant disgrace.
God bless Lincoln.
Live by his example and do something about the injustices you see in America. Just be sure to pick a more appropriate style for your monument, and skip the theater.
 
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I don’t know about any of the details other than that he was a slave owner. The idea of it being rape may or may not be accurate. Does anybody really know what happened?

I'm nearly positive he had kids with her.

I went to Virginia as a kid and saw his estate...and the slave quarters. That was a bummer.

Sally Hemings...she's super famous...Jefferson's slave that he was all into.

Kinda funny I know Sally but I have no idea what Mrs. Jefferson's name was.
 
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Sorry but I hate everything about that song.

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

A Buffallo station in the fall of 2001 played this song at the top of the hour every hour.
Comedian Kathleen Madigan is also not a fan of Lee Greenwood's "God Bless The USA" (aka "Proud To Be An American").

She's talking about the "strip" in Branson Missouri where (apparently) some famous musicians have their own theaters?

Listen for about 1 minute:

 
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I'm back to watching Saving Private Ryan...

This reaffirms that I'm a giant pussy. These guys literally saved my dad's life. Real men.

I'm pretty sure I'd be shot dead the minute I hit the beach or encountered any sort of German.

Like even movies about this stuff moves me...Imagine really living it.

Truman is the sole reason I exist today.
 

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I always watch the SOTU. I don't care if it's a President I support or not giving it, I like making a point to watch it. I mean, I support the country either way and like to hear what the current leader has to say.

With this one I can't help but think they should have an NFL crew producing it. Those guys are really good at getting stats up on the screen real quick. I'm watching it on ABC and they keep cutting to various senators and reps and half the time they don't get their name on the screen before they cut away. I mean I know all the big players but the randos they cut to I could use the little title card identifying them.
 
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