The Police Thread

If you fire at me 3 times, I will fire at you until I'm convinced I don't need to fire at you anymore.

How many times should he have fired?
 
But what kind of sandwich was it?????

Oh, and you keep shooting till your target isn't a threat any longer.
Hopefully the situation allows for correctly identifying threat vs. non-threat.
 
HecticArt said:
Oh, and you keep shooting till your target isn't a threat any longer.
Hopefully the situation allows for correctly identifying threat vs. non-threat.
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It's not a target. He was a kid. And the way things are these days, if I were a black man (or boy, in this case) and a cop was chasing me, I might shoot the cop, rather than take the chance that the cop might kill me.
 
What if the cop doesn't have a sandwich?



Evaluated situation by situation, if a cop exercises the restraint that they are supposed to be taught and legitimately believe that they are being shot at, I can understand why they pull the trigger. I also expect them to be scrutinized intensely when they do shoot.
 
Yes he is a target. If you shoot at me or an innocent bystander it doesn't matter if it's a kid or not. I will shoot till the threat is neutralized. Kid or not. You try to kill me or my family your done.

Hopefully casual you will never have to stare down the barrel of a gun or be shot at. When it's my life on the line I will unload a clip or two no problem.

You just don't get it because you have never had to deal with something like that. I hope you never do but if you did your attitude would change real quick.

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Ehilbert1 said:
You just don't get it
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That's the beauty of a military and a police force that is controlled by "civilians" who "just don't get it." We keep (theoretically) the folks with the penis extenders from shooting people for jaywalking. Just listen to yourselves: "Targets." "Threats." "Neutralized."

These are human beings. It's not a video game.
 
Like I said you shoot at me your done. It's called life and death situations. You want to live.... Don't shoot at me or a cop. Put the gun down... kick it over. Get on the ground. See how hard is that? Keep shooting at me and again your done. Yes neutralized. You neutralize a threat to you and or innocent people. Anyone with a gun shooting at civilians and cops are a threat. You have a choice.


With your logic I should have just let the assholes that shot me and my men go. I wouldn't be here today if that was the case. Luckily adrenaline kicked in and I got back to my gun. I was able to take them out and another asshole. Please tell me I was wrong in doing that. Same with cops its you against them to see who lives when their shooting and trying to kill you. It's never a game its real life. You just don't get.


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Ehilbert1 said:
Like I said you shoot at me your done. It's called life and death situations. You want to live.... Don't shoot at me or a cop. Put the gun down... kick it over. Get on the ground. See how hard is that? Keep shooting at me and again your done. Yes neutralized. You neutralize a threat to you and or innocent people. Anyone with a gun shooting at civilians and cops are a threat. You have a choice.


With your logic I should have just let the assholes that shot me and my men go. I wouldn't be here today if that was the case. Luckily adrenaline kicked in and I got back to my gun. I was able to take them out and another asshole. Please tell me I was wrong in doing that. Same with cops its you against them to see who lives when their shooting and trying to kill you. It's never a game its real life. You just don't get.


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Did you just compare war to police work? War--an endeavor in which the aim is to inflict maximum damage on your enemy. There's your problem. Thank you.
 
When someone tries to kill a cop and shoots. It's war. They declared war on you. You do what you have to do to live. So yes I did. I would do the same here if someone shot me or at me and I was a cop.

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Ehilbert1 said:
When someone tries to kill a cop and shoots. It's war. They declared war on you. You do what you have to do to live. So yes I did. I would do the same here if someone shot me or at me and I was a cop.

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Police work is not war. Police serve the public and protect the public. Any time a life is lost in police work it should be considered an epic failure. Soldiers kill the enemy. Exact opposite. I think your mindset is faulty, and unfortunately it's the same mindset that police are trained to have, apparently. Very sad and very frightening for the public, especially minorities.
 
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Police work is not war. Police serve the public and protect the public. Any time a life is lost in police work it should be considered an epic failure. Soldiers kill the enemy. Exact opposite. I think your mindset is faulty, and unfortunately it's the same mindset that police are trained to have, apparently. Very sad and very frightening for the public, especially minorities.
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Please tell me what is the difference is between someone wanting to kill me here or over there? Yes cops are here to serve and protect but when someone shoots at you and wants to kill you its about survival. So my mindset would be the same here as there. Kill them before they kill me. There is no difference in people wanting to kill soldiers there and cops here. Let me tell you about the public cops save lives everyday. Every day!!!! We helped the public over there every single day.

I love people like yourself that have these high and mighty opinions when you have never had to face any of this shit in your life. You think you have all the answers of what cops, soldiers and people in general should do. I tell you what take the test go through the academy and become a cop. Walk in their shoes for a while. Get lied to every day and risk your life everyday. I bet your whole riotous do as I say attitude would change.

You are the only one bringing up minorities here. I don't care who or what color, race or religion someone is when they shoot at me or try to kill me.
 
I stand by what I had said. I DO get where Casual is coming from and would hope for the same.
Ideally, all cops would be well trained, wouldn't use force when it wasn't absolutely necessary, and would all be impartial and there wouldn't be questions about racial matters influencing their decisions. Ideally there wouldn't be the need for police to worry about mistaking a squirt gun for a real gun, or mistaking a sandwich for a gun, or even worse, potentially lying about mistaking a sandwich for a gun.

I agree with Hyson that there are sooooo many more situations where cops are doing outstanding things for our communities and to protect us, but the get overshadowed by the bad things and mistakes that get all of the media attention.

So it shouldn't be tolerated when there are some bad cops. When bad things happen, we should scrutinize the cause and fix it.

When a good cop makes an honest mistake doing a tough job, we should try to learn from it, and do our best to try to keep it from happening again.

Without a fully utopian society, it's unrealistic to expect that cops aren't going to have to shoot someone from time to time. I don't want to see people die, I just understand that it's a reality.
 
Ehil, I see a big difference between the job of cops in our communities and soldiers - especially those deployed in combat zones.

if bullets are flying, I expect them to both react the same way, but I see cops having the added difficulty of having to show more restraint. It's the whole "serve" thing.

Doesn't the military have different regulations about engaging with Americans than they do for declared enemy combatants?
 
Ehilbert, I'm never going to be in the military or be a cop. Or an accountant, an opera singer or play first base for the Mets. And for that matter, you'll never be a cop, either, so don't give me the "I don't know" bit. You don't either. I am who I am. You are who you are. So let's move past that.

You have a very strong opinion that police officers have the right to kill or be killed. I say they don't. A police officer taking someone's life has failed. They aren't at war with the public. Soldiers, however, have that right. They're at war with an enemy. Two different jobs.

We don't agree. That's fine by me.
 
You guys are assuming I mean shoot first. I would follow the letter of the law and try to make arrests by the book. What I am talking about is someone that just starts shooting at you. You try to get them to stop and put the weapon down. If that doesn't work its kill or be killed. That is what I am talking about.

Over there its still do not engage unless fired upon. Unless the mission is an extract and protect. Then you have to take the enemy out to complete the mission. There is usually 99% chance you have to engage.

So yes it is a big difference and the rules change over here. What I ment is there is no difference here or there when someone engages with you and tries to kill you. You have to do what you can to stay alive and neutralize the treat.

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Ehilbert1 said:
I'm going to start ignoring these threads before I get banned.

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I know that you've been through more than any of us can ever really understand. I know that you've seen some of the worst things that people can do to each other and had to do things that most of us couldn't, and that this is very personal for you. Just try to to keep the conversation from getting too spirited.
 
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