patriotic thread

[Channel98]

Elton Britt (real name: James Elton Baker) was an Arkansas-born country singer/yodeler/guitarist whose 1942 patriotic anthem There's A Star-Spangled Banner Waving Somewhere, written by Paul Roberts and Shelby Darnell, reached number one on the country chart and #17 on the pop chart and was the first country song to be awarded a gold record for the sale of 1,000,000 copies.

"Shelby Darnell" was one of many pseudonyms used by Bob Miller, who also wrote the music for Elton Britt's top-ten country hits I'm A Convict With Old Glory In My Heart (1945) and Chime Bells (1948). Miller also wrote and recorded as Dinny Dimes, Bob Kackley, Lawrence Wilson and Trebor Rellim (his name spelled backwards).

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Would “ Billy Don’t be a Hero “ qualify? I always liked it.

It's sort of an anti-patriotic song. Like "Born In the USA".

But like "Born In the USA", also a good song.

 

[sadchild]

Another song that some consider patriotic (like Ronald Reagan's 1984 presidential campaign, for example) but it isn't actually particularly positive.

Like those people who use "I Will Always Love You" as their wedding song (a break-up song) because they only hear the main lyric, some people only hear "Well, ain't that America!" and think "yeeeeee dogie, Murica eff yeah!" and leave it at that.

 

[HecticArt]

We started playing Easy by the Commodores recently.
I don’t quite know why. They said we needed a slow dance song.....but we never play out......and I ain’t dancing with any of them......
Either way, it’s all about him kicking the girl to the curb so he can move on.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Another song that some consider patriotic (like Ronald Reagan's 1984 presidential campaign, for example) but it isn't actually particularly positive.

Like those people who use "I Will Always Love You" as their wedding song (a break-up song) because they only hear the main lyric, some people only hear "Well, ain't that America!" and think "yeeeeee dogie, Murica eff yeah!" and leave it at that.

I think the song "Every Breath You Take" is also real big at weddings. Get married to a stalking song. Great way to start your marriage.

 

[sadchild]

I think the song "Every Breath You Take" is also real big at weddings.

Sting: One couple told me 'Oh we love that song; it was the main song played at our wedding!' I thought, 'Well, good luck.'

and

Sting: I watched Andy Gibb singing it with some girl on TV a couple of weeks ago, very loving, and totally misinterpreting it. (Laughter) I could still hear the words, which aren’t about love at all.
NME: I expect you took some pleasure In that.
Sting: Great pleasure. I pissed myself laughing.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

On a similar misinterpreted song theme. when I was dating my now wife she was in WV and I was in Toronto. So we were doing a lot of ICQ and phone calls etc. We were ICQ chatting and I was falling for her hard. And the song "FreeFalling" by Tom Petty came on the radio. I heard the chorus about free falling (falling to earth without a parachute) and I thought that was kind of how I felt. I mentioned it to her and it became our song. I then heard the rest of the lyrics of the song and its not pretty. But it is our song. We get a chuckle out of it whenever it comes on the radio.

 

[JHDK]

Sorry if I'm repeating here...

So I live in a cycle. I watch Hamilton and that gets me all jazzed to watch Adams on HBO. The fact that he got those British soldiers off IN BOSTON WITH A BOSTON JURY is frankly amazing. Of course he would go on to be President and a Founding Father.

These men were way better than any of us could ever hope to be.

 

[JHDK]

It's kinda a huge bummer that Washington owned slaves. I mean he's like America's Jesus and ya can't be doing that shit. We all know about Jefferson and his exploits...fucker wrote the constitution while banging his slaves? Very uncool.

IDK, just a ramble. I guess it goes to show these guys were just that...human guys. We are all fucked up in one way or another.

The best of men can still be into some bad shit.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

It's kinda a huge bummer that Washington owned slaves. I mean he's like America's Jesus and ya can't be doing that shit. We all know about Jefferson and his exploits...fucker wrote the constitution while banging his slaves? Very uncool.

IDK, just a ramble. I guess it goes to show these guys were just that...human guys. We are all fucked up in one way or another.

The best of men can still be into some bad shit.

The founder of Canada Sir. John A MacDonald also set up the residential school system where Indian kids were stripped from their parents and raised by white folk usually part of a church. Several kids were abused and killed. Nobody was held accountable. So now people are toppling his statues and renaming "Sir John A MacDonald" public schools. Eventually Washington streets will be renamed down there too. People look at history through today's lenses. Times were different in 1776 in George's case and 1867 in John A's case.

 

[scotchandcigar]

It just shows how standards change. When they wrote the constitution, everyone had slaves, and women couldn't vote. The treatment of Jews leading up to the holocaust was widely accepted. It was even cool for Fred & Barney to sell cigarettes.

That's why it's wrong to apply today's standards to the past.

 

[HecticArt]

Hopefully we learn, grow, and evolve.
People should know when these historical figures have some shady pasts, but the important things that they did shouldn't necessarily be erased based on today's standards.

 

[JHDK]

So now people are toppling his statues

I don't love the idea of angry mobs ripping down statues but I also think it's probably not best to have them displayed on public land.

 

[JHDK]

the important things that they did shouldn't necessarily be erased based on today's standards.

Yea but dude...owning another human being? That seems like a wrong that transcends time.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I don't love the idea of angry mobs ripping down statues but I also think it's probably not best to have them displayed on public land.

I think if we are going with the no statue policy, then let's take them all down. I don't think the angry mob should decide which ones are good.

 

[JHDK]

Let's all agree that any important history started with Lincoln.

What was that? like the 1840's or something?

 

[HecticArt]

Yea but dude...owning another human being? That seems like a wrong that transcends time.

It's a horrifying concept. I don't like the idea of having pets, a human being is unimaginable. Back in the day I would have been with the north, but back then, close to half the country thought it was acceptable. We know that doesn't mean it was the right thing. History taught us that it was a terrible idea. It's a shame it happened at all, and shouldn't happen again.

 

[Aaron]

I see a couple of Confederate flags on my way to work each day. That sh*t has got to go. They don't care how ignorant it makes them look.

 

[JHDK]

They thought of humans the same way we now think of like John Deer equipment.

But you can't rape a tractor.

That brings up another point...Even if Jefferson's slave Sally Hemings was giving consent it's still rape right? I mean if you are owned the whole concept of consent goes out the window.

 

[JHDK]

I don't like the idea of having pets,

I just had my will made up. 33% to each my aunts and uncle. I had the lawyer put in a provision (I felt silly asking) that if I die before Athena they use whatever money needed to make sure she doesn't wind up in the ASPCA or pound, and with a nice family...cause my people can't take her seeing how she's a monster cat.

BTW/a will from a Melbourne lawyer costs like $500.